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Retreats May Wednesday, September 1, 2004

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Hello,

I attended a Young Adults retreat this past weekend at the San Damiano Retreat Center in Danville, run by the Franciscans. I've undergone a painful month and the retreat allowed me to enjoy fellowship and the peace there to clarify things and I appreciated the experience overall.

However, a few things concerned me. One of the exercises was saying the "Our Father" aloud slowly, using various physical gestures. Then, the retreat leader substituted the words "Father" and "king"dom with the words "Mother" and "queen"dom. I thought that was waaay strange.

I questioned him on that in front of the group and he said that we call God many names, including Mother. While I understand that, I still thought it was inappropriate for him to use subsitutions for the Lord's Prayer. I hope I didn't offend him, as I know he was making the effort, but I wanted him and others to think about what he had just done.

In another post on this site, I remember reading someone discouraging participation at retreat centers, particularly ones run by lay people because they do some New Age practices or other things inconsistent with authentic Catholic teaching. Those retreat centers are a good place for peace and for reflection, however I think retreat leaders need to focus more on authentic Catholic teaching, rather than confusing people like myself (who are still learning more and more about their faith), with their "creativity." The "team-building" / "ice-breaker" format I could easily get from the corporate world.

Also, they held Mass outdoors on a Saturday night, instead of the chapel, since many of the young adults encouraged it. The water fountain and the crickets outside were so noisy that the priest was difficult to hear. Also, we couldn't be reverant (kneel or stand) because of the environment we were in. Should Mass be held outdoors?

Thank you and God bless,

May



Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM+


Dear May:

What this priest did was blasphemy -- a serious sin. Calling God "mother" and referring to God's kingdom as "queendom" is an affront to God and an idea that comes from New Age and Feminist heresies. It is an atempt to de-Throne God the Father.

God reveals Himself as Father, who are we to call Him "mother". Such profound arrogance we humans can be. I am reminded of this arrogance in the Book of Job. God responds, "Where were you when I created the world....." I think we need to resign the position of being a neo-god and submit our egos and our whole selves to the True God and Creator of the Universe who was so gracious to reveal Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Also, except under certain circumstances with the permission of the bishop, Masses are NOT to be held outside.

This is one of the reasons that I suggest that people check very carefully whether or not a Retreat Center is actually orthodox.

The problem of Retreat Centers not being fully Catholic is sooooo bad that I recommend that we PRESUME a retreat center to be heterodox until proven otherwise.

We can visit any retreat center for a private retreat and enjoy the pastoral and peaceful surroundings, but I advise against a "guided retreat" or receiving spiritual direction from retreat personnel, or taking classes and whatnot unless the Retreat Center is CLEARLY loyal and obedient to the Pope and Magisterium in union with the Pope.

This is a sad commentary, but Satan knows the best places to get to the people and contaminate them -- schools, retreat centers, CCD, colleges, seminaries, pastoral training, and such. In otherwords, the best place to contaminate the people is to infiltrate education and spiritual formation.

God bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary


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