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Re: Tridentine Mass	Michael	Tuesday, January 8, 2008
Question: It is not correct to call the Motu Proprio the Holy Father issues an "indult." He stated in the letter accompanying Summorum Pontificum, "As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and, consequently, in principle, was always permitted." As you said, "An "indult" is permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal to do without such indult. The indult will include the conditions and circumstances to which the indult will apply." As the Holy Father wrote it was never juridically abrogated and was in principle always permitted. The celebration of Mass using what is now the extraordinary form of the one Roman Rite could not then have been considered illegal, so therefore it fails to pass the criteria of an indult. Yes another Pope or this Pope could change this and completely do away with the 1962 Missale Romanum just as this Pope or another Pope could completely do away with the 1969 Missale Romanum.
Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM Dear Michael: I suggested that the word "indult" may not apply and frankly I do not care. To argue over that word distracts from the primary point -- that the Roman Missal of 1962 cannot be said without permission. The Pope has given that permission (and he can take it away). By the way, the Missal of 1962 was not "abrogated," it was "obrogated" (superseded) by successive Missals. When a Missal is obrogated its use is illegal unless permission is given. The current Roman Missal is the only normative and ordinary Missal for the Latin Rite. No other Missal may be used without permission and that permission is completely at the largess of the Pope. Topic Closed. God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary P.S. I am weary of these neverending arguments over the Tridentine Mass. Everything that can be said has been said on this subject. Any further questions on the Tridentine Mass concerning these matters will be summarily rejected. Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below: Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum. Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum

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Re: Tridentine Mass

Michael

Tuesday, January 8, 2008

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It is not correct to call the Motu Proprio the Holy Father issues an "indult." He stated in the letter accompanying Summorum Pontificum, "As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and, consequently, in principle, was always permitted." As you said, "An "indult" is permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal to do without such indult. The indult will include the conditions and circumstances to which the indult will apply." As the Holy Father wrote it was never juridically abrogated and was in principle always permitted. The celebration of Mass using what is now the extraordinary form of the one Roman Rite could not then have been considered illegal, so therefore it fails to pass the criteria of an indult. Yes another Pope or this Pope could change this and completely do away with the 1962 Missale Romanum just as this Pope or another Pope could completely do away with the 1969 Missale Romanum.

Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM

Dear Michael:

I suggested that the word "indult" may not apply and frankly I do not care. To argue over that word distracts from the primary point -- that the Roman Missal of 1962 cannot be said without permission. The Pope has given that permission (and he can take it away).

By the way, the Missal of 1962 was not "abrogated," it was "obrogated" (superseded) by successive Missals. When a Missal is obrogated its use is illegal unless permission is given.

The current Roman Missal is the only normative and ordinary Missal for the Latin Rite. No other Missal may be used without permission and that permission is completely at the largess of the Pope.

Topic Closed.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

P.S. I am weary of these neverending arguments over the Tridentine Mass. Everything that can be said has been said on this subject. Any further questions on the Tridentine Mass concerning these matters will be summarily rejected.

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Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum
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